What are the new wineskins and old wineskins? In this section of the lecture "Real Churches Multiply" Richard Thompson continues to talk about DNA of multiplication and:

- explores the parable Jesus told in Luke 5:35-39;

- explains the meaning of the word 'catalyst';

- shares ideas from the book “The Starfish and the Spider: The Unstoppable Power of Leaderless Organizations” by Ori Brafman;

- contrasts a CEO and a catalyst.